On August, 03, 2006 8:51 AM , bakkouz
from Jordan said:

هاذا الحكي المزبوط
مش زي أخينا حسني مبارك اللي بقولك أنا شو دخلني بلبنان روحو دبروا حالكوا الله لا يقيمكو!

I wonder though, is there any hidden meaning or significance behind the king wearing the military outfit during the interview? or was it just a coincidence?

On August, 03, 2006 9:32 AM , The Observer
from Jordan said:

You know Batir how it is getting common to attack Arab leaders. You barely find people who actually defend their leaders because they do believe they are right. It is becoming unpopular behaviour, and usually considered to be as sucking up!

I don't care how others would percieve this, I find our King's perception of things as very wise.

I guess we are so fortunate to have him leading us.

We dont know whether to laugh or to be angry. After Lebanon is wrecked and after him (yes him) authorizing that green light and not taking a stance, he is coming now to fake a stance against the USA and its policies. But guess what, without you (your majesty's) consent and facilitations, the US agenda in the region will find it slightly more difficult to come to reality.

Like it or not, this is what everyone is thinking.

And Batir, you are free to delete this comment if you are scared about your position.

On August, 03, 2006 10:00 AM , Batir Wardam
from Jordan said:

Moe I do not have a "position" to be sacred about, especially that your comment is actually more of a joke than a serious argument.
So, I assume you have been there when the king gace the "green light'? What was he holding in his hand at that time?
This is not what everybody in thinking in Jordan and outside. well maybe in the circle around you but If the King's facilitation is the main part for the US agenda we can say Jordan is a bigger country than France and Germany, wow.
The point is Moe that some people just hate Jordan. Whatever the King and Jordanian say or do, or do not say and do not do Jordan will always be under attack. We got used to this and it does only make us laugh.

On August, 03, 2006 10:59 AM , The Observer
from Jordan said:

Moey, green light??! What green light? Saying the truth that Hezb Allah provoked Israel? Condemining the actions of HezbAllah doesn't mean agreeing with Israel starting a war on Lebanon. It IS NOT a green light.

Our position has always been clear. We are against this war. We are with the Lebanese people, and would help them as much as we can. No one can fault us.

On August, 03, 2006 11:04 AM , Moe
from United States said:

Batir, your reply is actually more of a joke than a serious argument.

It was a green LED light, no batteries as you can charge it by shaking it.

You seem to lose composure when people criticize the king and you start acting slightly childlishly.

I said, the american agenda will find it slightly more difficult if Jordan wasn't being a facilitator. This means that if Jordan didn't allow for a huge presence of western intelligence on its soil, to be the Israeli gate to the arab world...etc. Sure the USA will find another base in the region, this is why I said "slightly" more difficult.

And maybe you need to study a bit of strategy, but Jordan plays a bigger role in the region than France or UK, which is because Jordan is a country IN THE REGION, made up of people FROM THE REGION, and with cultural, social and blood ties to the countries surrounding it, giving it a bit more influence over people in Tabuk than, let's say France has.

I'd appreciate you respect people who comment on your blog nex time. Thanks.

On August, 03, 2006 1:15 PM , batir
from Jordan said:

Moe you are right. I act childishly when someone criticises my country. In fact, I act more than that. I am sick enough of people like you preaching us with manners while they are in the USA. If you hate the USA policy that much, why do you still live there?
I 'd appreciate that you respect my country in my blog next time.

On August, 03, 2006 2:33 PM , Moe
from Italy said:

Batir, I seem to have moved to Italy very fast. It's the wonders of the new age.

"I act childishly when someone criticises my country"

I criticized the king of Jordan and explicitly so and not the country Jordan. Those two seperate entities for you seem to have metamorphosed into one. You need to seperate as the sovereign is the people, and not the ruler.

I am, in fact, in Jordan and I am, in fact, as much a Jordanian as you are (even more if you ask me), only that I prefer a ruler who doesn't take the people on a ride and play such a duplicious role.

Yeah, you are sick of people saying what they think, especially when you dont like what they think (so much for your preaching - maybe you need to stop speaking of freedom of speech and put it plainly that you refuse certain thoughts that aren't to your liking?).

On August, 03, 2006 6:25 PM , Queen Rania's fan
from Italy said:

God, help us...! It's a really tragic and sad situation, if also the good King Abdallah, talks like that! :(

On August, 04, 2006 1:47 AM , Batir
from Jordan said:

Moe I am really now in a great phase of depression and I think our discussion is really a kind of putting our anger in the wrong direction. You know, our problem in the whole Middle East is that humans, citizens have no rights at all and they do not get participation in decisions. Either in Jordan, Syria, Egypt or any other country people can suffer the horrific scenes of death due to a decision taken by one individual, let that individual be Saddam, Bush, Olmert, Nasrallah or any one else. People just have no value.

Batir and Moe (and Black-iris too), take it easy folks. The position of the king and the history of the (so-called) Hashemites are not debatable issues. They ARE FACTS, even if Batir chooses to bury his head in the sand and even if black-iris keep singing Hashmi hasmi day and night.

Batir, your weak argumets (where you there when this happened...and why do you live in the United states) are a proof that you are not even convinced with what you are debating, but I understand, you have a family and a job , and I dont it is worth (A tongue elongation jail time : the trademark of democracy in Jordan). But it is OFFENSIVE for you to attach questioning the King's decisions to attacking Jordan.

On August, 05, 2006 9:53 AM , Hassan
from United States said:

" Either in Jordan, Syria, Egypt or any other country people can suffer the horrific scenes of death due to a decision taken by one individual, let that individual be Saddam, Bush, Olmert, Nasrallah or any one else. People just have no value. " Funny how you include Jordan as one of "those" countries, but in another thread, you pledge full support to the Jordanian government and King. That does not make sense. How can you support a system that you always aknowledge as oppressive?

Explain this paradox to me.

On August, 09, 2006 2:52 AM , Batir
from Jordan said:

No paradox at all Hasan. All arab regimes are oppressive, but there is a relative reference here. In Jordan participants in a demonstration for the opposition will be hit by "Ganawi" and get injured and maybe arrested by the police for few hours and then will have a black file that makes it difficult for them to work and have an independent livelihood. In Egypt they will be hit and sexually assaulted (Kefaya members) while in Syria they will disappear in a remote prison until they die. In Iraq it was instant killing by Saddam's baath party and now by the sunni and shi'i death squads. I supportr the general policy of the system but I have never stopped criticising the oppression and corruption which are more important to me than fighting a lost war with Israel for the sake of Syria and Iran.